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I think you did a good job expressing you arguments clearly and fairly representing the position you argue against.

However, I think that the motivation of people who argue that atheists need religion was not addressed and it would be important to do so.

If you don't mind me plagiarizing my own comment from a different post on Substack("Why Being Religious Doesn't Make You a Bad Scientist" by J. Venere), here it goes:

"You don't have to justify your beliefs."

I am of the opinion that anything that can be destroyed by truth should be destroyed by truth.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

There's Atheism 1.0 and then there's Atheism 2.0.

Atheism 1.0 is how one could describe a zealot who has simply traded one God for another. It's hard to give up the comfort of something that stirs one's rage towards others while quieting the rage towards oneself - that's a powerful God that's hard to renounce.

Atheism 2.0, coined by philosopher Alain de Botton, recognizes that religious culture provides for psychological needs that don't simply go away because one can eviscerate Scripture with facts and logic. Rituals are an important part of religious culture because the are meant to remind of us of important things were are likely to ignore otherwise. For example, the Jewish ritual of Birkat Ha'llanot(Blessing for A Blossoming Fruit tree) makes it so that every year, in the month of Nisan(March-April on the Gregorian calendar), you go to a blossoming tree and recite a blessing. From a purely secular perspective, it still has value due to it's insistence that you schedule time to appreciate the beauty of the flowers and the fruits that they promise. The scheduling part is important, because if you leave it to chance, you're likely to forget about. I mean, when's the last time you thanked a blossoming tree? I can't say that I remember.

As for the place of God in science, Pierre- Simion Laplace observed(correctly, I think) that "I have no need for such a hypothesis"), which is apparent via Occam: why tack burdensome, vague, unproven details onto an explanation?

I would say there is similarity between spirituality and the scientific worldview. Both require humility and a willingness to accept that nature operates how it pleases, even if that doesn't agree with how we think it should work. The difference between spirituality and the scientific world view seems to be that science respects the unknown and does not caricature it into a shape that is merely a product of our imagination, a scribble on a map with that has no corresponds solid ground equivalent.

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